VA orders crosses removed from national cemeteries out of respect for fallen Jewish soldiers

In a provocative move today, the Veterans Administration ordered the removal of all Christian crosses from national military cemeteries commissioned during or after World War II. This was in response to a growing fervor on the part of Jewish American veterans of that war and their families:

“I lost two brothers in the Battle of the Bulge” said Robert Hirsch, who served as an infantry captain from 1942 to 1945. ” My mother lost two sisters and an uncle at Bergen-Belsen. We can never forgive the Nazis for what they did and we can never forget that they were Christians. A cross on this hallowed ground is offensive to all Jewish Americans.”

OK, so this hasn’t happened. But, if you are a Christian, how did it make you feel, if for only a moment? I’ll wager that whatever you felt, it wasn’t ‘good’. But isn’t this the same argument being waged by opponents of the proposed Islamic center (not a mosque) in Manhatten?

The folks who want to build this mosque, who are really radical Islamists, who want to triumphfully (sic) prove they can build a mosque next to a place where 3,000 Americans were killed by radical Islamists. Those folks don’t have any interest in reaching out to the community. They’re trying to make a case about supremacy… This happens all the time in America. Nazis don’t have the right to put up a sign next to the Holocaust Museum in Washington. We would never accept the Japanese putting up a site next to Pearl Harbor. – New Gingrich

Aren’t they assuming that all Muslims are violent? Or that since so many Muslims are violent (allegedly) that they practice a violent religion? Does anyone remember that Hawaii has a large Japanese population who were living there long before the Navy anchored any battle ships at Pearl. So any visible Japanese presence adjacent to the base (like a Shinto Shrine) is forbidden? I don’t think so. (Even though Newt says that this “happens all the time in America”)

Doesn’t it follow, based upon Islamophobic logic, that all Germans and all Japanese are somehow complicit in the atrocities of WWII? (and what about those Teflon coated Italians?)

No, that would only be the case if they were objecting to Arabs – which would be an openly racist campaign against a certain ethnic group or nationality, and we just don’t do that in America anymore.

Instead the Islamophobes have an ax to grind against the growing presence of what they believe is an aggressive, warlike and anti-American religion, a tiny fraction of which has committed violence against the United States. So, using this logic it would be safer to say that all Christians are somehow complicit in what the Germans (and Italians) did during WWII, as they were Christian nations. (Not enough Shintos around to worry about them, right now.)

Why haven’t Jewish Americans made the same types of accusations and placed the same demands against Christians? Is it because they are in the minority, like the Muslims?

Or am I just mixing up Christian apples with Islamic oranges?


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  1. #1 by logiopsychopath on August 23, 2010 - 8:02 pm

    You made a good point–and I really believed the lead in–but I think you overstate the point.

    On the other hand, Newt Gingrich as the moral conscience of the nation? Sheesh.

  2. #2 by Christian Beyer on August 23, 2010 - 9:20 pm

    Over course it was overstated. This point needs to be overstate if some people are ever going to allow it into their thick heads (present company excepted) . You don’t think Newt and Co. are overstating their points? And the public swallows it whole.

  3. #3 by logiopsychopath on August 23, 2010 - 10:21 pm

    Chris, are you a little angry with those against the Muslim building thingy?

  4. #4 by anon on August 23, 2010 - 11:34 pm

    “We would never accept the Japanese putting up a site next to Pearl Harbor”….I have heard there is a Buddhist place nearby? There is also a Muslim prayer place at the Pentagon……
    Ground zero is not the only place Muslims are having problems with setting up community buildings in the U.S.
    However, intolerance is not just an American thing—it happens in many places in the world and hopefully—-the U.S.has the chance to show the rest of the world how to stick with high principles in the face of fear (something that France and Switzerland failed to do–for example)

  5. #5 by Christian Beyer on August 24, 2010 - 8:03 am

    Right. I haven’t touched on that yet. I visited a friend down in Nasheville recently and there is a big “Christian” movement to prevent some people from building a mosque in some local suburban back-water. This community has been worshiping in town for years and the gentleman behind it is prominent second generations business man in the town. A philanthropist. His family has lived in the county for a few generations but all of sudden they pose a threat.

    For some time now I have been thinking that the religious fundamentalists and fascists share the same psychology: paranoia, fear of change, fear of aliens (from outside and from within) and a dystopiam vision of the present and hope for a Utopian future.

  6. #6 by logiopathivorytowerdweller on August 24, 2010 - 10:12 am

    Sort of like pre-tribbers. They don’t like this world, so they invent (with the help of Scripture) an alternative.

    And I am not saying Christ will not return, but I am using a double negative.

    • #7 by Christian Beyer on August 24, 2010 - 10:35 am

      Well, I’ll say it. He ain’t coming back. It’s all due to a misunderstanding of a mish-mash of Jewish apocalyptic Messianic hopes and things that Jesus may (or may not) have said.

      But, yes, there is a lot of similarity between the Coming Rapture hopefuls and the those who expect a dictator to usher in a new Utopia (New Jerusalem?). Or maybe a reward of 12 virgins.

  7. #8 by lurid tales of doom on August 24, 2010 - 5:56 pm

    That was scarily believable, I bought it hook, line and sinker. It’s a very clever counter to the argument that ‘it would be like putting a Nazi community-center up at Auschwitz’ which has been popping up all over the place lately. I was in Hiroshima a few years ago and what I think is a more accurate comparison than the ‘Auschwitz Nazi center’ is that Hiroshima has a wide range of American restaurants, there’s a McDonalds within sight of the memorial – which of course isn’t insensitive because, though both the people who dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and the people selling burgers are both American, their actions and the values motivating them are entirely different.

  8. #10 by anon on August 24, 2010 - 8:49 pm

    On the positive side, there are many organizations and people who are also speaking for the constitutional rights of Muslims and against the rhetoric of the protestors. —-And that is what makes America great (not its military might)

    • #11 by Christian Beyer on August 25, 2010 - 9:13 am

      Of course. The first patriots, the ‘founding fathers’, were terrified of powerful national army. They new what tyranny could be possible. (I say this even though my son is a Marine and I am proud of our armed services, particularly the Corps.)

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