What I would like to hear from President Obama concerning his faith: “Shut up and mind your own damn business.”

Apparently a significant part of America thinks that President Obama is Muslim.  Of course, like many Americans,  on  many things, they are misinformed,  feeding upon the bloody scraps left by the blathering political sharks who churn our airwaves.   But aside from the disappointing ignorance of our populous, should this really  matter much? Is a president’s faith somehow related to his performance?

We all know that Washington was a deist and Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, the two  men most responsible for allowing religion to flourish in America, were not religious themselves, neither one a “Christian”.  Did John F. Kennedy ever attempt to place the interests of the United States under the control of the Pope, as so many loopy Protestants believed would happen?  Arguably our greatest president, Abraham Lincoln, was no Christian at all,  at least according to his wife (and others close to  him).  Little constrained by his Quaker roots, Richard Nixon  ordered the carpet bombing of North Vietnam.  George W. Bush never could get the teaching of evolution removed from our nation’s high schools ( as if that was ever one of his goals).

Really, this whole obsession over the faith of our elected leaders is asinine.  Rather than trying to assure Americans that he is, in fact, a Christian, Obama should just tell everyone to shut up and mind their own business.  Faith is a private matter. (Unless you are the Anti-Christ, like some thought Ronald [6] Wilson [6] Reagan [6] was. Now that’s a pretty big deal.)

No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”
-Article VI, Section 3, United States Constitution

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  1. #1 by logiopsychopath on August 22, 2010 - 9:43 am

    You make me think–you make me think I wish you would see things my way.

    Any you are right, I don’t like Obama’s politics. I just read a biography on Trotsky, and am into one on Lenin at the current time (by Solzhenitsyn).
    Okay, I am not saying that Obama wants to throw people in prison, or kill his political opponents, like Trotsky and Lenin. I am saying that like those two, he has no problem going around the will of the people to do The Will of the People. He also has no problem with expropriation, which he is doing (whether you want to admit it or not). He is more like the social democrats who became opponents of Lenin and Trotsky, but we really don’t know his agenda. What is troubling is that Obama seems to use war in ways that would please Trotsky. For example, Trotsky denounced WWI, yet had no problem with the idea of expanding the war to bring about revolution throughout Europe. Obama denounced the war in Iraq, but had no problem keeping it going, and no problem expanding the war in Afg. (I can’t spell Afghanistan). Speaking of denouncing, that was Trotsky’s main political tool–denounce opponents without providing examples as to why, while promoting his agenda, also without substance.

    So much of what he does is based on symbolism and ideology, and he jumps on these things to reinforce this symbolism (according to Rick Vats on WBAL radio–and I have said this all along).

    Anyway, back to the topic, you are right that he doesn’t have to tell his spiritual views, although his people have been defending his “daily” prayer with spiritual biggies. However, it is inescapable due to his position and because of his figurehead status. Double however, he is losing ground fast because he is long on words and short on competency (also borrowed from Vats).

    What would surprise you is that I wrote a letter to the editor, published by the Carroll County Times in which I heap praise on Obama. At first, I really liked him and his relatively fresh ideas. However, as I heard more, and saw is true stripes, he became revolting to me–and don’t even start me on Michelle (like her planting the garden, using DC school children as her free labor–you think for a second she would allow any of those peasant children near her darlings?)

  2. #2 by logiopsychopath on August 22, 2010 - 9:50 am

    Actually, we do know his agenda. He made devils out of five institutions, and commenced his attacks–they are

    1) Big Oil–let’s not open this door.
    2) Big Insurance–He feigned opposition, while they funded the health care campaign because outfits like Blue Cross and AARP will profit big-time.
    3) Big Auto–He couldn’t beat ’em, so he joined ’em.
    4) Gitmo–He went after this by proposing civilian trials for these POWs, including 9/11 mastermind.
    5) Big Tobacco–One of his first legislative moves was to outlaw flavored cigars, all the while puffing his Jacks on the patio of the West Wing.

    Obviously, the Military Industrial Complex isn’t on the list, because he has made good use of his status as C. In Chief–and has lined the pockets of many Daddy Warbucks.

  3. #3 by logiopsychopath on August 22, 2010 - 6:52 pm

    Ya’ know, you wind me up on these things, then you flee the scene. This really ticks me off, since its the only outside contact I have with other human beings.

    Do you know what its like to live in a padded cell? Of course not, but try spending a few sensory deprived hours in the Blue Room, then you’ll know.

  4. #4 by Christian Beyer on August 22, 2010 - 7:44 pm

    Been busy. Anyway, you’ve got quite the rant going about Obama. Go back and read it. You sound like some of those folks who thought Bush was an evil moron. When will people get it: the great thing about America is that the President doesn’t have anywhere near the influence we give him credit for – he needs the support of congress and the oversight of the courts to accomplish his mandate.

    Nothing is as simple as you try to make it sound. He is not Snydley Whiplash, just as GWB was not Simple Simon. C’mon.

  5. #5 by logiopsychopath on August 22, 2010 - 8:37 pm

    Okay–according to the Constitution he needs Congress, etc., but I read an article on F_x that said the EPA will instigate Cap and Trade whether it is passed by Congress or not.

    I know Obama believes he has our best interests in mind, but when he is out of office, he will be so mega-rich (like Al Gore and his $20,000,000 dollar home in Santa Barbara–with 8 energy leaking fireplaces) that $8.00 a gallon gas will be immaterial to him and his cronies. For the rest of us, at the present time, cheap gas, private health care, and the Bush tax cuts are a good thing.

    As far as the religious question, you are right in saying people place too much stock in the president’s influence. But it is what it is, and with such an ideologue as Obama, I believe we are in trouble. The only hope is to go back to legislative gridlock, and at the glory of unfunded mandates. Much cheaper.

    As far as Bush is concerned, he is not a Simple Simon. Frankie Schaeffer put it best–liberal side of the media hated Bush with a passion unparalleled since Nixon, and maybe worse. They hated his morals (or his outward morals) and they hated the people who came with him (Rove, Cheney, etc.).
    So, for 8 years they launched a hate campaign that painted him as a moron (oh, I used to hear that from the IT guy at NCIA ad nausea). Bush was no moron. He made some bad business deals, and he had a deep old boys network, but he was smart enough to become POTUS for two terms. Unfortunately, the religious right canonized Bush in many ways, and were left holding the bag, so to speak, on Iraq and Katrina. Wealthy and influential people on the left, like Sean Penn, Spike Lee, and Michael Moore capitalized on this, and the media outlets had a feeding frenzy. Funny how they have given Obama a pass on the oil spill and the decline of inner cities, as well as the two wars we have continued to wage.

    I’m really not too crazy about any of our politicians, except Roscoe Bartlett, who I call the only honest member of Congress.

    Getting back to the mosque thing, the original thread (but you have birdwalked so much); I think people should let this alone, and these people doing the marching today are confused and just trying to stir the pot, so to speak. On the other hand . . .

  6. #6 by Christian Beyer on August 22, 2010 - 10:00 pm

    I’ve birdwalked? (Whatever that means). Anyway, can’t you see the parallels with the way many viewed Bush (and Clinton and Reagan and Carter and Nixon etc) and how many (including you ) view Obama?

    The demonstrators today are not just confused. They are brown shirts waiting to hatch. I mean it. The German people of the early mid-twentieth century were very similar to Americans (ask any veteran who served during the occupation). At the risk of sounding as hysterical as you, this is a very scary situation. The mob always scares me more than any potential despot.

  7. #7 by logiopsychopath on August 22, 2010 - 10:45 pm

    I agree–I thought that by this point in history, evangelicals would have been persecuted, but it turns out the Muslims will be the target.

    All of this really makes me ill, and I mean it. In fact I am so mad I just ended the last sentence with a weak pronoun.

    Anyway, I would cut Obama some slack if I saw some leadership, and some ideas that don’t make me feel like he is picking my pocket. I could go for social democracy, if it came more cheaply. Actually, at this point Obama most reminds me of Bill Bennett–not the nutty gambler who was Bush Sr’s sec of ed, but the former Premier of British Columbia, Canada. He presided over something called the Social Credit Party. Sort of a Canadian version of European Social Democrats. Anyway, during his leadership, the province continued the policy of subsidizing and purchasing industry–a mating of capitalism and socialism. Anyway, he spent much of his time in Palm Springs, soaking in the sun, etc. This is the problem I have with Obama. He has many plans to socialize the U. S. economy, but he ignores basic rules of economics (ones even Lenin admitted). You cannot subsidize failed businesses back to life (GM, without Cash for Clunkers, will again be on shaky ground–but I bought a Chevy).

    So? Let the people build the community center–maybe you could teach cooking in their culinary school. Let Obama have his religious views, he just needs to have some backbone and some real leadership, two qualities he lacks.

    What’s next on the blog agenda? How about an expose’ of why human leadership has gone from the strongest, to the richest, to the current paradigm–the hackiest.

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