God Says; Skip the Salad but Bring On the BBQ!

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Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD.  But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering,  but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor.

As we asked in an earlier thread,  The Murderous Root of Religionhow did Cain come to understand that God  disfavored  his offering of grain (or fruits or vegetables)? Did God expressly tell him this in a thundering message from the clouds? Or perhaps in a dream?

Or was it more likely that Abel was in some way better off than Cain ? That Cain was envious of Abel’s circumstances, and figured that God just wasn’t being fair.  These were primitive people without all the trappings of  modern humankind.  So,  I don’t think that  Abel had nicer clothes or a bigger house or a more luxurious wagon imported from Germany. It’s also doubtful that money was  a concept that they would be familiar with.  So in what way did God bless Abel over Cain? What’s left to be jealous of?

One possibility that comes to mind is Abel’s health. After all, it’s always been said that if you have your health then you have everything. Maybe Abel’s family was healthier than Cain’s, suffering from fewer maladies and in better overall physical condition. Being healthier, perhaps they were also happier. To a primitive mind, what other reason could there be for this disparity, other than that God was smiling on Abel while punishing Cain.  But why would God allow Cain to be healthier than Abel?

The answer might be found  in their choice of offerings; Abel’s was made up of meat and fat as opposed to the vegetarian offering of Cain.  Today’s conventional medical wisdom affirms that Cain’s high carb menu would certainly be healthier than Abel’s fatty one. But perhaps God knows something that the majority of our doctors, nutritionists and dietitians do not.

I don’t know about you, but I think I’ll have steak tonight. Again.

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  1. #1 by Benedetta Stilwell on August 8, 2009 - 7:23 pm

    Christian, I will order the book. I am sorry I did not get back to your reply sooner.

    Montey no – never (I do see the humor of it though), but in the whisper of a thought! That is the way that God spoke to me and told me that he would show me what Genesis really meant.

    Adam and Eve represented the whole human race. Adam was away on a hunt and Eve discovered agriculture which Adam too, thought was a fine thing. It began civilization (Knowledge of good and evil) Death was going to come anyway, what God meant was an early death from a higher carb diet. Oh well

    Then Cain and Abel – two metabolic pathways, one that could not operate in the presents of the other.

    Mark on the forehead. Talking about the brain. The brian and the immune system are tied into the fat pathway, and not using this pathway causes inflamation.

    My son also has autism along with epilepsy he is high functioning. Autism is an immune disorder. He had a stroke six hours after his third DPT shot when he was nine months old. The cure, not from his stroke but the inflamation was Abel’s diet.

    My daughter,his older sister, also reacted to her DPT shot but more suble, she kept running rheumatoid like fever untill she came down with Kawaskis (autoimmune disorder high fever-Jett Travolta had it). All she would eat afterwards was bacon and I let her, once again Abel’s diet. Not because of any wisdom on my part but a whisper of a thought when the medical doctors are pushing low fat diets.

    My daughter is a nurse now, and works with young boys with mental problems. My son is going to a small community college and passing his classes.

    • #2 by Christian Beyer on August 8, 2009 - 7:30 pm

      Ab amazing ‘witness’. I intend to share your story to many. It is so disappointing; whenever I offer this information with people (who are habitual dieters who just can’t seem to lose weight or become healthy again) the common response is a polite smile, a nod and a glazed look over their eyes, much in the same way people reacted to my old ‘born again’ evangelism. They think I’m a nut.

      The problem is; people are sheep and they love to be herded along by experts. It can be be tiresome to think on your own. I see great parallels with nutrition and religion – many, many sacred cows. But the proof is in the eating of the pudding (a fatty one at that!).

      Thanks.

  2. #3 by Benedetta Stilwell on August 8, 2009 - 10:40 pm

    Well John Hopkins Medical University has endorsed a modified Atkins diet 15 carbs or the low glycemic diet for epilepsy. Much improved over the old ketogenic diet.

    Hannah Poling was harmed by the MMR vaccine, she even won in the federal vaccine compensation court (no body wins there). Her father was a neurologist who worked for the FDA. He has her on this modified Atkin’s diet.

  3. #4 by Alex on August 11, 2009 - 1:48 pm

    from St. Aphrahat, writing in the mid 4th century:

    “First of all, it was through Abel’s purity of heart that his offering was acceptable before God, while that of Cain was rejected. And how do we know that Abel’s offering was accepted, and how did Cain realize that his had been rejected? I will try to explain to you about this as well as I can.

    You are aware, my beloved, that an offering that was acceptable before God was distinguished by the fact that the fire would descend from heaven and the offering would be consumed by it. Now when Able and Cain offered up their offerings both together, living fire that was doing service before God came down and devoured Abel’s pure sacrifice, but did not touch Cain’s because it was impure. It was from this that Abel knew that his offering had been accepted, and Cain that his had been rejected. And the fruits of Cain’s heart later testified and showed that he was full of deceit, when he killed his brother: for what his mind had conceived, his hands brought to birth. But Abel’s purity of heart constitutes his prayer”

    Aphrahat, a Syriac father, goes on to list many examples of this happening as a consistent occurrence within the experience of the people of God.

  4. #5 by Christian on August 11, 2009 - 4:06 pm

    Hm. And where, pray tell, did St. Aphrahat get his information? Personally, I have my doubts that this is the way it went down, even in those ‘magical’ times.

  5. #6 by Benedetta Stilwell on August 11, 2009 - 9:15 pm

    It is beautifully told, full of symbolism and when I understand (or rather God grants me a little wisdon) just a glimpse of what is meant I find it humbling, amazing and profound!

  6. #7 by Alex on August 11, 2009 - 10:24 pm

    You get your doubts from your experience, no doubt, and St. Aphrahat gets his information from his experience, which is tied in with the experience of Israel.

    There is something interesting worth noting about the language of this passage. The hebrew text ‘wayyisha’ is usually rendered by ancient and modern translators as ‘And the Lord looked with favour on…’. However, the Jewish reviser of the Septuagint called Theodotion, linked the hebrew verb with ‘esh’, ‘fire’, and translated ‘And the Lord burnt up with fire…’.

    This consumption of sacrifice with holy fire is a repeating theme throughout the scriptures, which means that it was part of the continuing experience, as I said, of God’s people.

    I once heard a quote that goes something along the lines of ‘Americans speak about miracles as though they don’t believe in God’. What do you think?

  7. #8 by Alex on August 11, 2009 - 11:08 pm

    On second thought perhaps he got it from the post – temple jewish tradition (per Theodotion). I would be interested to see if this is in line with the consensus of the Fathers’ exegesis. In any case, I think that Aphrahat’s explanation is certainly true (i.e. whether or not there was actual physical fire consuming Abel’s sacrifice, the Abel’s sacrifice was accepted based on the purity of his heart).

    Btw, that tidbit is taken from one of his treatises on prayer – the scriptures are available to bring Christians closer to God, not so we can speculate in a human fashion whether this or that actually happened, as though the bible were a textbook on history.

    • #9 by Christian Beyer on August 11, 2009 - 11:33 pm

      Leave it to you Alex, to bring a fresh, and thought provoking perspective to the discussion.

  8. #10 by Alex on August 12, 2009 - 8:28 pm

    When are we going to the brewery?

  9. #11 by Christian Beyer on August 12, 2009 - 9:33 pm

    You’re on, Dude. I live within walking distance. Just pick a day.

  10. #12 by Benedetta Stilwell on August 14, 2009 - 11:05 pm

    What do I believe. God can intercede anytime he wants. He does not have to do it with the laws of physics yet he does even when proforming a miracle. I find it more amazing than if he actually sent a full blown angel with wings. For it means to me that he knows the in and outs of his creation so well that he can manipulate it anyway he pleases. I have no problem with anything that science says,because the Bible has said it first, but differently!

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