Too Late For Murdered Girl, Saudis Warn of the “Dangers of Christian Internet Websites “

This horrifying story is from yesterday’s issue of the Gulf News. What is so scary is that this sadistic monster was not just some isolated one-off religious kook with angels whispering in his ear but someone who worked for an Orewellian-sounding Saudi government department devoted to “promoting” Virtue.

The last two paragraphs, in which the author seems to be looking for a reason for this barbarity, are rather chilling. With all the attention that Tehran, Baghdad and Kabul have been getting let’s not overlook what poison has been stewing in the religious pots of our friends in Riyadh.


by Mariam Al Hakeem
August 12, 2008

Riyadh: A Saudi man working with the Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice recently killed his daughter for converting to Christianity.

According to sources close to the victim, the religious police member had cut the tongue of the girl and burned her to death following a heated debate on religion.

The death of the girl sent shockwaves and websites where the victim used to write with various nick names have allocated special space to mourn her, while some others closed temporarily in protest.

According to the Saudi Al Ukhdoud news website, the victim wrote an article on the blog of which she was a member under the nickname “Rania” a few days before her murder.

She wrote that her life became an ordeal after her family members grew suspicious about her after a religious discussion with them.

She said that her brother found some Christian articles written by her as well as a cross sign on her computer screen. Since then he started to insult her and blamed the internet for pushing her to change her religion.

The “Free Copts” website published a message which it received from a friend of the victim, revealing that the killer is in police custody and that he is being investigated for an honour related crime.

Saudi religious scholars have frequently warned against the dangers of Christian internet websites and satellite TV channels which attract Muslim youngsters to change their religion.

They decreed that watching these channels or browsing these websites which call for conversion to Christianity by various means is against the teachings of Islam.

My God, it is hard to keep a cool head over these kinds of things.

But what could possibly cause someone to kill their own child for religious reasons? What are they so afraid of that murder, painful murder, is justified? What threat is so mind boggling, so unimaginable, that people would torture others to avoid it?


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  1. #1 by praise365 on August 13, 2008 - 5:31 pm

    The things we take for granted

  2. #2 by logiopath on August 13, 2008 - 7:55 pm

    We’d better watch our own government–especially since we bow down (literally) to the Saudis for oil.

  3. #3 by Christian Beyer on August 13, 2008 - 7:55 pm

    Amen, Scott. Amen.

    Yeah, Zoo. It is sad that our government will jump into bed with anyone who can make things expedient for the ‘national interest’. But hey, who’s bidding are they doing? I happen to believe, all conspiracy nuts aside, that they are doing exactly what the American people have asked them to do.

  4. #4 by Ambrosia de Milano on August 13, 2008 - 8:29 pm

    Yeah. Its like Hobbes says, we choose our leaders, whether king or delegate (a paraphrase).

    I would like to see better documentation of such events as is mentioned in this article. I have seen similar reports, usually connected with missions fundraising, and like to see solid evidence.

    I realize that Islam is the only religion accepted in Saui Arabia. I have also heard of Christians being killed in the name of violating Saudi law–but I would like to see names, dates, specific events.

  5. #5 by Christian Beyer on August 14, 2008 - 6:16 am

    Yes, me as well. One reason that I have accepted this article as being credible is the source, the Gulf News is generally very sympathetic to Islamic fundamentalism. It has also been picked up by other news agencies but beleive this to be the first report.

    Normally thee is enough attention given to these types of excesses that I leave them be. But my position is that religion can be the enemy of God and not just the Christian religion.

    I also see some parallels here to the lady who drowned her children in her car some years back. She was obviously a nut job but her twisted reasoning went something like this: I a m a bad mother, my children will inevitably grow up to be depraved, God will condemn them to hell, so it is best for them if I kill them young and hope God will show them some mercy. If you agree with her that the most horrific and unacceptable demise for someone, especially someone you love, is an eternity in hell (even though she may have her doctrine a bit twisted) then it is possible to see her logic. Certainly the church authorities as a whole did so at one time.

  6. #6 by logiopath on August 14, 2008 - 7:34 am

    I see your point.

    Christian logic is frequently inconsisent, and often changed to fit the situation.

    I’m not trying to defend Islam, but maybe if Christians would slow down and smell the coffee, they would see that Muslims are people too.

  7. #7 by logiopath on August 14, 2008 - 8:14 am

    Christians may not kill their children for conversion to another religion, but what is the end of movements such as those by Pat Robertson?

    He has a vision of a Christian Utopia. What would this Christian kingdom look like? Would it be a return to the extreme narrowminded thinking of early New England? Would it be an open society?

    We stand in judgment of Saudi Arabia, but in reality, are we any different?

  8. #8 by Christian Beyer on August 14, 2008 - 8:51 am

    Well, I think that we are ‘different’ (not the people individually but the societies). I don’t see any way in which something like this could be excused in the States, but things like this were excused in North America no so very long ago. I’ve heard it said that some of these theocracies are experiencing the same things we did during our own Medieval age. Religously speaking, they are where we once were. (I am speaking of the misnamed ‘Islamic Fundamentlists’ here, not the more moderate Muslims who have found themselves to be the subject of similar abuses as the girl in the story)

    But you are right. Generally we may not condone things of this sort but elements of the ‘church’ have condoned and continue to condone violent acts in the name of God. I think atrocities of this sort, both Muslim and Christian, have as their root the idea that God is primarily a violent, wrathful and angry God “who dangles us over the fiery pit of hell”.

  9. #9 by logiopath on August 14, 2008 - 11:19 am

    Look, I am not saying we kill our kids–however.

    How many people with strong potential never realize their abilities, becuase of doctrinal requirements at Christian colleges?

    How many Christian young people are ostraciszed in youth groups because of unconventional hair styles or wearing unacceptable clothes?

    How many Christian young ladies are given an invisible “A” because of
    rumors or experimenting with sex?

    I was in a church and one of the elders said that the church in question is not for sinners. How many people died at that moment, in a spiritual sense?

    In other words, we often kill the spirit of people, old and young, because of antiquated policies and practices in schools, churches, and colleges.

    I am saying that not all killing involves the taking of physical life–just ask Elizabeth Edwards.

  10. #10 by Christian Beyer on August 14, 2008 - 12:14 pm

    Agreed. Well put.

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