
There once was a great physician who specialized in treating one specific and very deadly disease. Leaving the big city behind, the good doctor and her entourage headed for the rural coast, where many people were in need of her special skills.
As they traveled through the region, her party repeatedly encountered a local man who, very persistently, kept asking for the doctor to come look at his son. The boy was apparently suffering from an illness that was not related to the doctor’s specialty.
Being very busy, she paid him no mind. Her assistants, though, had lost patience and asked that she at least talk to the man. Perhaps the doctor could convince him to leave them alone. She agreed to meet with him.
“Look”, she said, ” I am a specialist. I’ve come to take care of those people who need me. My work is very important. I can’t just help anybody who is sick.”
The local man dropped to his knees, “Please, doctor. Please help me. Your skills are well known. My son may die without you.”
“Surely,” said the great physician, “there are local doctors who can help you. It would be unwise for me to be distracted by the common ailments of ordinary people. My training has been exclusively devoted to the curing of a very specific malady and I have been expressly sent to save just those people.“
“But” said the man, “weren’t you first trained to help ordinary people, before you learned to specialize in great diseases? Don’t all diseases, including the lowly ones, hurt innocents just as well as the great ones?”
They were both silent for a long moment, the doctor intensely studying the man’s upturned face.
“Dammit, man!” she finally exclaimed. “By God, if you aren’t right. Now where’s that child of yours?”










Ok, you lost me on this one…
By: BuddyO on August 18, 2008
at 5:24 pm
Really? I was afraid that it might be too obvious.
By: Christian Beyer on August 18, 2008
at 6:41 pm
I don’t know, is there someone somewhere who thinks Jesus wasn’t sent for everyone?
I really don’t get what you’re trying to say….
By: BuddyO on August 18, 2008
at 8:45 pm
Probably because I’M not trying to say anything here.
But yeah, I think there are some people, everywhere, who don’t think Jesus came for everyone. I think that lots of time this describes me as well.
He may have come to give his message to those ‘other’ people – thank God I’m not like them. Or perhaps he may have come just for me and my friends – not for those stinkin’ terrorists or KKK riders or Nazis. Though if only they would listen.
By: Christian Beyer on August 18, 2008
at 9:01 pm
This is one thing I got out of it……..
Some of us get so focused on a “cause” or “ministry” or on a certain set of people that we forget about a lot of other things. Common day problems like feeding the poor, sheltering the homeless, etc. aren’t given a second thought because we have taken it out of our mission.
Example- I can’t really help you because I’m over here running this really important “ministry” and it may suffer if I stop to help you, who is not part of “my” ministry.
By: Stephanie on August 19, 2008
at 12:13 pm
Nicely put Stephanie.
I was actually attempting to paraphrase a story from Jesus’ ministry (Matt 15:21-28), playing around with the genders and making the Jesus figure the doctor (the ‘Great Physician’ )
I am always intrigued by this story. Why was Jesus apparently so mean spirited with the woman in the original story? Was she actually able to persuade him to see things from her perspective? Did he change his mind? Had extra-Jewish, universal aspect of his ministry not occurred to him yet? Or was this some sort of spiritual ‘test’ Jesus was putting the woman through? (as I ‘ve heard others explain it)
And your thoughts add an additional perspective to this. We are often encouraged to emulate Jesus. In this story, Jesus seems to display a willingness to reconsider his distinctions, even his values and also a willingness to admit that he was mistaken and open to changing his mind.
We say that Jesus was fully God and fully man and that is something that none of us REALLY understand. We also say that he is without sin. But we do not say that he never made mistakes – he was human, right?
To make a mistake is not a sin. Pridefully refusing to admit the mistake while closing your mind to other opinions is ’sinful’. As he capitulates to the woman, Jesus demonstrates his willingness to surrender.
By: Christian Beyer on August 19, 2008
at 3:11 pm
The point of the scripture has been missed and missed by great lengths at that, I might add! Congratulations!
By: Dan on August 19, 2008
at 4:18 pm
Right to what you say, your attempt to paraphrase the story of Matthew 15:21-28 was spot on. My comment were a string of thoughts I had from your paraphrase.
Anyhow, I too am intrigued with this story. According to scripture, first Jesus ignores the lady, then his disciples try to get him to run her off. He easily could have sent her off with a “be gone” comment or he could of told his disciples to make her go away themselves. But he didn’t. Why?
It’s here I wonder if Jesus is taking more of a “Let me show you on lookers and disciples a little bit (more) about mercy” tone.
Let me explain-
Prior to this story, Jesus gets irritated with the Pharisees because they again are being selfish and hypocritical. Then he and the disciples withdraw from that region. Then some lady comes looking for help. What if Jesus is looking to see if the disciples will answer the way they should or answer like that of a Pharisee? The disciples SHOULD have had mercy on thewoman, but they didn’t. Instead they say to Jesus…
“Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
Then Jesus goes on with his few questions, (hm….maybe playing the devils advocate?) as if to show the others around him that regardless of how lowly people may look upon others, he does not. He grants mercy to even us “dogs”. Jews and gentiles alike.
So I hear a differnet tone and I although I may be way off with my little paraphrase there, it’s hard for me to see him being mean spirited with the lady one moment and then the next moment he says with excitement………… “woman, you have great faith!”
Just a few thoughts.
By: Stephanie on August 19, 2008
at 5:57 pm
No, Steph. I like your thoughts. But even if he KNEW that what the woman wanted was the right thing, he nevertheless portrayed someone who did not see this at first. I agree with what you have said, but then I think you are really agreeing with me. (I was playing ‘devils advocate’ myself.)
We can spend all our time trying to divine what exactly it is that Jesus is up to here. But we know for sure that he presents us with a certain picture, of someone who initially is not inclined to be concerned with the needs of ‘outsiders’ but then engages them. He doesn’t present us with a charitable change of heart, condescendingly showing mercy, but instead really listens to what she has to say and in the end (shockingly) agrees with her alternative position.
Why thanks, Dan. Why don’t you enlighten us? I can’t wait.
By: Christian Beyer on August 19, 2008
at 7:04 pm
Yes, I agree with you.
By: Stephanie on August 19, 2008
at 7:43 pm
Cool But let me ask you a question. Is it necessary for us to see Jesus as being perfect in every aspect, not just in his response to God?
Was he man as well as God (the great paradox) or was he somehow some sort of God-Man, with hidden powers at his disposal?
Let me put it another way; if you handed Jesus a Rubic’s cube, would he be able to figure it out as quickly as he could move his fingers?
By: Christian Beyer on August 19, 2008
at 9:24 pm
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at 12:17 am
Funny, I knew you were going to ask me that. That’s a whole other post, isn’t it?
Um, hm. I honestly can’t answer the Rubic’s cube question. Although I must say, that was a creative question and an interesting image in my head.
No, I do not believe it’s necessary for us to see Jesus as being perfect in every aspect. Maybe Jesus did make mistakes and at times, responded to people in a more of a human way. It’s possible.
What I have a hard time believing though is that Jesus made a mistake when he said what he said so boldly to this woman.
I believe he was attempting to make some very strong points with what he said to her. Maybe not so much to test HER faith, as many believe, but maybe more to challenge how others around her were thinking when it came to granting “outsiders” mercy.
By: Stephanie on August 20, 2008
at 12:20 am
Maybe he was using situations like this to let his disciples know, gradually, of the heretical idea that he was also here for the gentiles. And that these heretical ideas were also dangerous.
By: Christian Beyer on August 20, 2008
at 6:38 am
Ah, Christian!
Christian,
To say that Jesus made ‘mistakes’ flies in the face of everything Scripture teaches us about Christ, His mission, His work in atonement, His obedience to His Father in every word spoken and act performed. Far be it for me to try and enlighten you or anyone, for only the Holy Spirit can do that for you.
Jesus was teahing a great principle also recorded in other ways and more spedifically in other places. Jesus was sent for God’s elect – ‘his sheep’ some of which wer in the house of Israel and soume were outside of the house of Israel. John 10 is very strong on this point. The number of times that Jesus stated that he only said and did what His father commanded Him pretty much trashes your ‘theory’, unless of course you believe that God also makes mistakes, or isn’t omniscient and sovereign over his creation.
Oh wait! Emergent thought tells us that the only thing that is certain is uncertainty, and heretical Open Theism DOES tells us that God ISN’T omnipotent, onmiscient, and in sovereign control! Silly me!
By: Dan on August 20, 2008
at 9:03 am
Christian-
If I read what you wrote right……Yes! Exactly!
I think Jesus used many different techniques in spreading his message of mercy to people because many folks were (and still are) so thick headed about about granting mercy to everyone, jews and gentiles alike.
Many people will come of a number of reasons NOT to grant mercy to one.
By: Stephanie on August 20, 2008
at 12:08 pm
Wow, Dan really likes his coffee strong…
I find this interaction with Jesus very similar to Abraham’s interaction with God in Genesis 18. Did he actually change God’s mind or was God allowing him the chance to learn about his compassion, grace and love?
By: BuddyO on August 20, 2008
at 12:25 pm
Buddy,
Yes. I completely agree…..to both comments.
By: Stephanie on August 20, 2008
at 2:29 pm
Jesus said, “It is not meet to take the children’s bread and to cast it to dogs.”
What would you have done if you were the one asking a pastor for help? What would you do if someone in the church should call you a dog? Most of us would think this would be enough to justify our getting to heaven without ever passing by the church again. But this woman simply said, “Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat the crumbs.” That is saying, “I know how unworthy I am; I do not ask for anything but the crumbs.” This woman obtained the mercy she sought because of her faith and unwillingness to not allow her feeling to be hurt as so many of us have done by letting other Christians who have made thoughtless remarks do, even to the point of us leaving the church.” Was it worth it? It would have been so easy to let her feelings rob her and her daughter of the healing she desired and needed.
When we meet God in judgment, will we have let our feelings rob us of that plaudit, “Well done?” We tell the world that we walk by faith, not by feelings. What are we really walking by? Are we quitters, because we have had our feelings hurt? Are we walking by faith, even though our feelings have been hurt?
“Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.”
This is the message I received when I read this scripture. Not all of our lessons from Christ need to be complicated. That is the reason, (as Dan inferred) that God sent His Holy Spirit.
Just a thought…
By: netprophet on August 20, 2008
at 3:03 pm
I really have a problem putting Jesus and Imperfect in the same sentence.
By: Ambrosia de Milano on August 20, 2008
at 9:23 pm
Sorry, just got back in from the beach.
If, as Buddy and Steph suggested, Jesus was on the ’sly’ here, teaching a lesson by being somewhat of a devil’s advocate (and that seems reasonable to me) who was he teaching? The woman, as Net suggests? Or his disciples, as Stephanie has suggested? Of course, he is also teaching us a lesson, but which students are we most like here – the woman or the disciples?
I tend to think that the message is directed to us as we are learning to be disciples, as Stephanie has suggested. It is to help us to not be the ugly Christian that Net describes. Why would anyone persist like this Canaanite women if talked to in that fashion by a minister of the faith? If I encountered a ‘minister’, a person with vested religious authority, who addressed me in such a demeaning way I would assume that either he was a poor example of the faithful or that I should knock on some other doors. Of course she was not approaching a mere minister. I still think it is possible that it was a genuine exchange.
Dan, your reformed slip is showing. I think the point of the story is that God wants to save us all, not just the ‘predestined’. If that throws a monkey wrench into the “omni”-works then maybe we are looking through the wrong end of the microscope. I’m not necessarily an Open Theist but it is no more heretical than Calvinism. Just ask a priest.
Bruce – you’ll get over it. I really can’t see Jesus as being human unless he was subject to human frailty. His perfection is in his ’sinless’ relationship with the Father, not necessarily in all that he did. Maybe he waited until he was 30 to start his ministry because it took him that long to figure out he was a lousy carpenter.
By: Christian Beyer on August 20, 2008
at 11:29 pm
Did I really need to know that you were at the beach? Probably not. Kidding, kidding. Hope you had a great time, I’m sure you did.
Very well put Christian.
By: Stephanie on August 21, 2008
at 12:07 am
‘WOOT’ alert…
Did you download any of those ‘Physics for Future Presidents’ lectures?
You were the only one who commented on the post (which really isn’t all that surprising)….
If so, wondering what your thoughts were!
R.
By: Robert on August 21, 2008
at 8:06 am
Thanks, Steph. The beach day trip – the last “Hurrah” of the summer. My daughter goes back to school next week, I start taking classes (after nearly a 30 year hiatus) and my son will be reporting to Parris Ilsand on Sept. 8th. It was a good day (once we made it down there – always a challenge for the Beyers)
Rob, did you say ‘woot’, sir? What is a ‘woot’? Anyway, no. I haven’t had a chance yet. I tied reading this book “The Physics of Christianity” by this physic professor named Tipler. Just a little bit over my head and just a tad crazy but there was some interesting stuff in it. I should mail it to you and ask what you think of it.
By: Christian Beyer on August 21, 2008
at 8:45 am
WOOT = “Way Off Of Topic”
a way of saying ‘what i am about to say has nothing whatever to the current conversation’
I think you’ll enjoy those lectures as they pertain to a lot of what’s going on in the world today.
R.
By: Robert on August 21, 2008
at 10:07 am
Christian said: “If, as Buddy and Steph suggested, Jesus was on the ’sly’ here, teaching a lesson by being somewhat of a devil’s advocate (and that seems reasonable to me) who was he teaching? The woman, as Net suggests? Or his disciples, as Stephanie has suggested? Of course, he is also teaching us a lesson, but which students are we most like here – the woman or the disciples?”
Actually, I was thinking, after reading your post, it also could have been meant for the Pharisees who were on hand. Jesus most often spoke in parables, allegories, and what not when they were around. And the reference to giving the masters food to the dogs would be a sly way to show them what their own attitudes where like.
There seems to be a lot of possibilities in this message… Huh?
By: netprophet on August 21, 2008
at 12:48 pm
Isn’t that a beautiful aspect of God’s Word?
By: Christian Beyer on August 21, 2008
at 2:32 pm