In Matthew’s Gospel account, Jesus gives us a couple of examples of what it takes to be ‘damned’. In chapter 18 he tells us about a servant who is forgiven an astronomical debt by his king. The servant then goes out and proceeds to exact legal punishment upon a man who owes him relatively nothing. The king is not pleased to hear of this ingratitude.
“For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Later, in chapter 25, Jesus talks about another king, himself, who will address two groups of his subjects, one he calls sheep, the other goats. The sheep, he is pleased with. The goats have earned his wrath and when they question him he explains.
“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you.
“He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
In the first parable Jesus seems to be addressing us as individuals. After having been forgiven our life apart from God, the expectation is that we share in his limitless grace by forgiving others. To do otherwise is detrimental to our own salvation. In action we will likely often fall short of this goal, but the prevailing nature of our hearts should be one of unconditional forgiveness.
In the second parable Jesus expects us to actively serve those who are in need, even if we have no personal attachments to them. This is the best way for us to serve God; not on our knees, or up in pulpits or handing out tracts but in service to those who have a direct material need. Whenever we encounter those who we can help, we should do so, but from a practical perspective this may be very difficult, if not impossible. There are millions of suffering people in the world today, where do we start? Must we actively seek them out? Are we always best suited to help? Where does charity begin and where does it end?
It is telling that Jesus is talking about sheep(pl.) and goats, not the sheep and the goat. Individually we may not have the time, resources or talents to feed all the hungry, care for all the sick or assist all those in prisons. Our communities certainly do. Whether they be businesses, social organizations, governments or churches, we have it within our communities to do exactly as Jesus commanded us. For our communities to act in accordance with God’s will does not just mean responding charitably, but to take the needs of others into account before we act upon them, before we turn them into charity cases. Throughout history and certainly today, we have hellish examples of communities that have forgotten mercy and compassion.
Both of the above texts have been used by many to suggest that Jesus actually did believe in a place we call Hell. Perhaps, but more significant is what he plainly says about that which will put us there; a lack of mercy and forgiveness, a lack of compassion, a lack of sacrifice. He does not say that believing in him as Lord and Savior will in some way overcome these ’sins of omission’.
Perhaps believing in him is not merely a profession of faith, or belief in a creed, or adherence to a doctrine but the visible actions, the performance if you will, of those who live lives of mercy, forgiveness and compassion. Jesus would seem to suggest – no- he stresses that salvation is contingent upon a reciprocal way of life. In order for God to help us we must treat others as he treats us; with love, mercy and compassion.
For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
Matthew 6:14
As for the communities we belong to; are they sheep or are they goats?
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Wow! Living a life of service to others. Surely Jesus wouldn’t want us to do that. I mean that would be uncomfortable. We might have to work or get dirty.
By: Mark on August 11, 2008
at 1:10 am
Maybe the words used by Jesus in the Gospels are filled with metaphors, and don’t pertain directly to a person’s status in eternity.
By: logiopath on August 11, 2008
at 10:56 am
Believing in Jesus means very little to our salvation. Even Satan and his angels believe. Following Jesus on the other hand is what He says is required to join in His Kingdom.
If you read every teaching of Jesus you will find that through nearly all of them, there is a central thread that can easily be seen. ‘Follow His two commandments as they apply to any of His teachings and you will be truly saved and living the life He requires of His sheep’.
Even without following any other teaching from the Church or any other religion you are able to “work out your own salvation”. All mankind are given the opportunity to establish Christ’s Kingdom on Earth, without the need for Him ever to return. Of course mankind is not able to do that due in part to his non-belief, but we who are following His directives and teachings must if we are ever to call Him Brother and God, Father. What ever else you want to consider or believe about God’s punishment, suffering eternal separation from God is a ‘hell’ I don’t want to experience. How, when, under what circumstances, are a matter of God’s judgment and not my business. We just need to stay focused on doing and following Christ’s teachings to the best of our ability. If not in our community, at least in all we do and with all those we meet individually. Who knows this might even bring a few of us into unity in His name.
By: netprophet on August 11, 2008
at 12:16 pm
You are correct in saying that “salvation is not by faith” in that it is BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH. The Bible doesn’t contradict itself. Ephesians 2:8-9 tells us that salvation is by grace through faith and not of ourselves. Salvation is NEVER by works, according to the Bible. John 6 and John 10 tell us that once we belong to Christ we BELONG to Christ and will not be lost. there are other scriptures that affirm these truths. Works are important and WILL result from true believing faith, but our salvation is a gift from God and His plan/work, from beginning to end.
The scripture concerning “working out our salvation” has to do with the salvation believes posses by GRACE, not working FOR salvattion. That was the WHOLE ISSUE Christ had with the religious leaders of his day, they were maintaing one could be saved by works.
Humans will never establish God’s Kingdom opn this earth. 2 Peter 3 and Rev 22 in fact speak directly to a new heaven and new earth where God will establish His Kingdom, not men. the current thought that we will somehow usher in the Kingdom of God on earth before the 2nd coming of CHrist is Dominionistic heresy.
Concerning the place of believing in Christ for salvation, John 3:16-18 pretty well settles that one.
By: Born4Battle on August 12, 2008
at 6:33 am
I think this would depend upon what we mean by ’salvation’. Does it only refer to what happens to our souls after we die? Is it only about an individual’s state of being or is it also corporate in nature?
If our salvation is realized from the moment we are reborn in the Spirit of God what does that look like? Perhaps the kingdom will not be fully realized for quite some time (never?) but God gives us hope for more than just our own rewards. It seems clear to me that, whether or not we are successful, our salvation requires more participation on our part than what has been suggested by ’sola fide’. Whether this participation comes ‘before’ or ‘after’, Jesus still seems to think it is essential. Salvation has very definite communal aspects that are not relegated to the realm of ‘church’. Heresy is a strong defensive word that is often used to prop up the world-conforming (rather than world forming) attitudes of the church.
It’s no accident Luther did not care for the book of James, but the book of James as well as Matthew 18 and 25 still need to be addressed. Oh, and Luther was a heretic.
By: Christian Beyer on August 12, 2008
at 6:43 am
Born4Battle said: “The scripture concerning “working out our salvation” has to do with the salvation believes posses by GRACE, not working FOR salvation. That was the WHOLE ISSUE Christ had with the religious leaders of his day, they were maintaing one could be saved by works.”
The “WHOLE ISSUE” is a pretty strong statement seeing that Jesus had a lot more against the Pharisees than salvation by works. I believe it was more the yoke of legalism they were forcing on the Jewish people that created many false doctrines and teaching that Jesus had a problem with. Salvation is more about our spiritual rebirth into the mind of Christ, which produces the works of God not the law, which produces the works of man.
That same Pharisaic mindset has once again been repeated in today’s Church, dividing and corrupting the Body of Christ and leading us back into the trap of intellectual religion instead of the Spiritual freedom offered by Christ’s sacrifice on the cross.
Granted we are saved by Grace alone, but as Christian said/implied, faith without works is dead and being born again into the Spirit must produce works. “You will know them by their works.”
By: netprophet on August 12, 2008
at 2:47 pm
That’s odd, I though the book of James declares that salvation is received through a combination of works and faith–which is why Luther did not like the book, and left it out of his canon.
By: logiopath on August 12, 2008
at 5:12 pm
net,
Correct, salvation is by grace alone THROUGH faith, and true saving faith will produce works. And if that is true, the title of this post cannot be true.
True belief means everything and ‘believing’ in Christ as the Messiah sent by God is essential to our salvation. Is it possible you were referring to the mere mental assent of certain facts abput Jesus?
By: Born4Battle on August 12, 2008
at 6:22 pm
Actually Christ as the Messiah is the fulfillment of God’s plan for mankind.
“It is finished.” Aren’t we just all waiting for the epilogue?
By: netprophet on August 13, 2008
at 1:13 am
and true saving faith will produce works
Right. And as it is written in James, “faith without works is dead”, implying that one can have faith and still not follow Jesus’ commands. Which we know is true because,hey just look around us, but first let’s look in the mirror.
If your definition of salvation as an event – encapsulated by the realizing our sin, turning to Christ and believing that he will keep us from hell, and from that moment on we are content with the assurance of this salvation – then that definition would be satisfied by faith. But if it goes not farther it then this faith is dead and the salvation incomplete.
But if salvation is an atoning process that is different for different people, if each of us needs to be saved from different sinful circumstances, then it will not be the one-time Damascus road experience that Saul had, at least not for most of us. We are all working out our own salvations. But to be concerned with our selves is not enough. This salvation must involve works.
Again, Jesus is quite clear that this salvation is not merely an individual experience – it is communal in aspect. And we must see our community as existing beyond the walls of our churches – out in hospitals, prisons, on the street, in our enemy’s homes. If we don’t then we better be prepared to do some some weeping and gnashing.
By: Christian Beyer on August 13, 2008
at 6:33 am
Not sure what you mean there, net. In the broad sense you are correct. God sent His own Son do die for our sin, in our place. “It is finished” doesn’t mean we are just waiting, because there is a response on our part to the gospel message. Due to our inability to even respond on our own ‘free will’ God draws us to Himself (Eph 2, Rom 3, John 6).
There is this beautiful pattern that flows through the entire Bible concerning an ‘elect’ people of God that He has chosen to bring to salvation and present to His Son as His Bride.
So yes, it is His plan for man, but not everyone will be saved. It is His plan to save a renmant out of fallen humanity, and He will let others go there merry way and continue in their rebellion and sin.
I am only sharing what Scriptures teach, based on what they SAY. If you don’t believe that the Bible is the inerrant, inspired word of God, this might sound like nonesense. There are those who say that the threat of Hell is just cruel and cosmic child abuse. The Bible teaches it and Jesus spoke of Hell more than Heaven, I’ve heard.
So, Christ is the Messiah sent from God to save mankind, and salvation is God’s work from beginning to end – from drawing the dead lost sinner to repentance and faith to ultimate glorification (Romans 8:29-30).
By: Born4Battle on August 13, 2008
at 6:49 am
With all due respect Born, I think you are sharing not what Scriptures teach but rather the teachings of some who have interpreted Scriptures in a certain way. There is far from a consensus within the church over this doctrine of the ‘elect’.
Not to split hairs, but if we really want to talk about what they ’say’ and not what they might ‘mean’ then we should start using translations that are more faithful to what was said. Jesus, and no one living in Palestine at that time ever uttered the word “hell”. This word, which has it’s roots in Northern European mythology is packed full of Mesopotamian, Greek and Norse mythology with a little help from Dante Alighieri.
Sure Jesus paints a picture of a dismal future for those people and civilizations that disobey God’s command to love him and to love others, but is it an actual place set aside for eternal torment? None of us can say for certain.
But, again, what are the crimes that Jesus says will earn for us this punishment? Contrary to what is usually mentioned from the pulpit, it is not about how we dress, what words we use, whether or not we drink, dance, pray, read scriptures, attend church or have sex outside of marriage Each and every one of those things could, though, have some bearing on how we fulfill his very plain command to forgive, love and serve others.
By: Christian Beyer on August 13, 2008
at 1:50 pm
Is this some kind of confession, Oh ye who are without sin?
By: logiopath on August 13, 2008
at 2:09 pm
My simple statement, “It is finished.” was the last thing Jesus said on the cross along with “Into your hands I commit my Spirit.” For God and Jesus it is finished. Man MAY now be reconciled to God through Christ’s sacrifice, the law has been fulfilled and God is waiting patiently for mankind to realize His plan. It is now up to us to “work out our own salvation” by following ALL the teachings of Jesus.
I don’t know how anyone can say they are following Jesus and not carry out the works Chris mentioned (in part) and Christ taught. It was Jesus that showed us the way to work it out by following His two commandments, in which are contained all the law. So I think we are all in agreement on the method of our salvation, but perhaps don’t necessarily share the same interpretations of the Scripture. If we will follow the leadings of the Holly Spirit, I believe we can have the blessed assurance that our work is pleasing to God.
By: netprophet on August 13, 2008
at 2:24 pm
Sure it is Bruce. But that was one point of my post. We will always come up short, so it’s easy to just give up and say things like “the poor will always be with us”. That’s why I think it is important to see that Jesus in Matthew 25 is talking to us in a corporate or communal fashion. Especially since he is Jewish talking to Jews. The Jews did not see being made righteous apart from Israel. We should not see our obligations in light of our own individual efforts.
We can be fundamentalists, liberals, Baptists, Catholic, Reformed etc and still have an overarching sense of a community that is progressively pursuing the Kingdom.
By: Christian Beyer on August 13, 2008
at 2:55 pm
Jesus work in redeeming the elect of God was finished on the cross. We will ‘do works’ because he saved us, out of gratitude and because he causes us to desire to ‘do works’ (that will glorify Him). Remember the verse that says “they will see your good works and golrify your Fahte in Heaven? No work of man contributes to salvation, but works of man result because we have been saved. If we say we have faith and don’t demonstrate works, we don’t have saving faith in Christ.
Because we are saved, we are already citizens of the Kingdom on temporary assignment here to spread the gospel. I agree with the proposition that we ‘pursue’ righteousness in all things (the Kingdom being where Christ rules and reigns, in this case in our hearts. I would disagree we ‘pursue’ establishing Christ’s Kingdom on earth before His return. That’s the Dominionism false doctrine that has appeared in some places and includes a heirarchy of modern day Aposties and Prophets.
By: Dan on August 13, 2008
at 3:42 pm